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September 17, 2006Nun Murdered, motive unknown! Pope roundup UPDATED:::UPDATES WITHIN TEXT::: An elderly nun was murdered, attacked from behind by gunmen who had a problem with Pope Benedict’s recent speech. Oh, excuse me, the press is only speculating on that connection, it’s not clear to them - they’re not sure this woman wasn’t simply cut down by her pimp, for holding out. Or, you know, maybe this was just a drug deal gone bad. They’ll get to the bottom of it, soon. The cowardly shooting-from-behind of a sixty-something nun might actually have something to do with Muslims rampaging because Benedict dared to address issues of faith and reason, and to suggest that Muslims might better dialogue with the rest of the world if they’d put down their swords, but the mediating intelligences in the fourth estate can’t make that connection just yet. They’ll get back to you on that. UPDATE: Greek Archbishop Christodoulos has his own words for Islam, and they are much harsher than Benedicts, but just as straight up: “Many Christians on the Black Continent (Africa) suffer from fanatic Islamists. The example of Roman Catholic monks who were slaughtered last year… because they wore the cross and believed in our crucified Lord is still recent,” said Christodoulos. UPDATE: About two weeks ago I wrote about Faith and Reason and Forced Conversions: The demand to “convert or die” is not a thinking demand, it is not born of reason. It is culled forth from a dark heart given over to something larger than a human sense or sensibility. It is an unnatural requirement; it is Supernatural. As such, it can only be properly answered through Supernatural means, through a heart that is not dark but which is equally given over to something larger than our rational and reductive imaginings. Can you reduce the response to a forced conversion into whether one “meant it” or not? Yes, you can, but in doing so you have taken your eyes off of something hugely in play but easy to miss - that the greatest feats of heroism written in the annals of human history have come about through a combination of faith and reason, but with reason bringing up the rear.[...] Am I urging the West toward martyrdom, here? No, I am not urging it. But I am suggesting throughout history, martyrs have spilled blood and it has made a difference. I am suggesting that down the line some may well be called to martyrdom, and we might be wise to anticipate it and understand its use. I am suggesting that when one is caught in a fight between darkness and light - a fight that is more super than natural - such blood might well be required. It always has been, before. Perhaps I was just a week or so ahead of the curve? All this has shown is that Muslims missed the point of the speech, and in fact have endeavored to fulfill Benedict’s warnings rather than prove him wrong. If one reads the speech at Regensburg, the entire speech, one understands that the entire point was to reject violence in pursuing religion in any form, be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or Bahai. The focal point of the speech was not the recounting of the debate between Manuel II and the unnamed Persian, but rather the rejection of reason and of God that violence brings.[...] The Muslims are not interested in a Socratic dialogue, such as the kind proposed by Benedict in his speech, if one actually bothered to read it. They completely reject any notion of critical thinking when it comes to their doctrines, their laws, and their beliefs. They can make all the comments they want about Jews being descended from pigs and monkeys and the “polytheism” of Christians, but if anyone utters a word of scholarly criticism about Islam, the murders begin until someone admits that Islam is better than any other faith. This drips with irony — because Benedict spoke about precisely this impulse in his speech. It’s conversion or submission by the sword all over again. UPDATE: See Ed’s open letter to the Pope. Do not apologize for speaking the truth. Stand up to the threats and violence and make the world understand that no one of any faith or of no faith at all has to be cowed or intimidated into silence. Your predecessor, John Paul the Great, risked his life by providing a beacon of courage against the might and will of Communism, and he outlived it in the end. We won’t outlive the violent nature of radical Islam, but we can provide the basis for Christianity’s survival by standing against it now. Speaking of “dialogue,” which was - in the end - what Benedict was inviting Islamists to, and in which they are clearly not interested, (”Dialogue this,” seems to be the basic message of murdered nuns and molotov cocktails). Do go read The Pope, Jihad and “Dialogue” by Andrew Bostom at The American Thinker, which gives you some historical background on Manuel, and the habit of forced conversions to Islam which has continued unabated through the 20th century, to our present time. It is very interesting reading. And it begs to differ with the NY Times’ editorial fops and kneejerks who have rushed to “explain” jihad to the rest of us knuckle-dragging neanderthals: For many Muslims, holy war — jihad — is a spiritual struggle, and not a call to violence. And they denounce its perversion by extremists, who use jihad to justify murder and terrorism. Would the “many Muslims” who feel that way please stand up? Do they constitute a majority? If so, why doesn’t the Times give them more exposure? How come we only see these more moderate Muslims thanks to Bloggers? I guess this Somali cleric who is calling for the Pope’s death is part of the extreme minority. The pope says I’m sorry that you guys didn’t like the speech, but ummm…yer kinda proving my point…. I don’t know if I agree with Rick that he is trying to appease these unappeasable folk. Benedict is not groveling. Meanwhile Catholic Londoner writes about what was waiting outside of Mass, today: As we came out about 100 Islamists were chanting slogans such as “Pope Benedict go to Hell” “Pope Benedict you will pay, the Muja Hadeen are coming your way” “Pope Benedict watch your back” and other hateful things. Check out the pictures. Check out the signs. I’m sure it will escape the attention of these Islamists (and the press) that the Catholics do not stand outside of Mosques doing crap like this. But then, Christians (Rosie O’ Donnell’s idiotic assertions aside) do not live each day with a mentality that embraces intimidation and terror tactics. H/T Beth. Pajamas Media has more information on the slain nun, Sister Leonella Sgorbati. I’m quite certain she will not be the last slain Catholic we read about in the coming weeks. Keep scrolling down, PJM has a great running roundup, as does Michelle Malkin. As does Mary Katharine Ham In Australia, the Howard government reads Muslims the riot act: The Howard Government’s multicultural spokesman, Andrew Robb, yesterday told an audience of 100 imams who address Australia’s mosques that these were tough times requiring great personal resolve. “We live in a world of terrorism where evil acts are being regularly perpetrated in the name of your faith,” Mr Robb said at the Sydney conference. “And because it is your faith that is being invoked as justification for these evil acts, it is your problem. “You can’t wish it away, or ignore it, just because it has been caused by others. “Instead, speak up and condemn terrorism, defend your role in the way of life that we all share here in Australia.” Mr Robb said unless Muslims took responsibility for their destiny and tackled the causes of terrorism, Australia would become divided. Jim Treacher and what he’d like to see Benedict say. http://theanchoressonline.com/2006/09/17/nun-murdered-motive-unknown-benedict-round-up/trackback/ 18 Responses to “Nun Murdered, motive unknown! Pope roundup UPDATED” |
September 17th, 2006 at 5:45 pm
Oriana Fallaci dies and Pope Benedict XVIth is menaced by Islamic fundamentalists
September 17th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
So let me get this straight, the Pope makes some comments on how Islam seems to be focused on compulsion in matters of religion (and an overemphasis on violence) and how Christainity focuses on making a logical argument. Muslims take offense, and rather than debate the subject with verbal discourse. . . go out and murder a nun in the hospital.
Here’s a message to my Muslim brothers out there (because I think all men are brothers)–whould the Prophet Mohammed approve of killing some helpless nun in the hospital because of what the Pope said? Don’t you realize that doing this sort of thing in the name of your religion is one of the worse kinds of slander and crime? I am sure Allah (God) has a special place in hell for these type of people. If any of you end up there, say hi to Atta for me.
September 17th, 2006 at 6:20 pm
To my Muslim brothers (because we are all brothers out there) out there, would the Prophet Mohammed approve of such tactics?
If a Christain did this to a Muslim woman in the God’s name I would be offended and call for that criminal’s prosecution and punishment (and the death penalty would be appropriate).
I am a former Marine, but if those accused Marines really did commit crimes against civilians, I would hope they would be severely punished.
Where is the outrage in the Muslim world over this? What the Pope said was harmless. Even if the Pope was wrong, God is much more offended by killings in his name.
September 17th, 2006 at 7:23 pm
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September 17th, 2006 at 9:16 pm
Pope Benedict On Islam: Sunday Roundup
September 17th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
I am reminded of the scene in the Indiana Jones movie where he was at a stand-off in the market square with a sword-wielding menace. The sword man did elaborate moves to frighten him. After a long pause of indulgence, Jones pulled out his pistol and capped the guy.
I am tired of this long pause of indulgence.
September 17th, 2006 at 10:41 pm
This song has been running through my head. It turns out that it is actually obscure — I could find only one reference to it in a google cache of a disappeared page, and I know there are more verses than this, but here’s what I found. It’s “The Hate Song” from the The Mad Show, a 1966 off-Broadway revue based on MAD Magazine. The Composer of the “Mad Show” is none other than Mary Rodgers, daughter of Richard Rodgers and a prolific musician and author (she wrote the popular kids book “Freaky Friday” among others). The lyrics are by Stephen Sondheim writing under an alias (kind of an in-joke).”
Here’s the two verses I found: (It’s a lot funnier if you know the tune, of course. I know that I heard it sung in a tone of outraged self-rightousness.)
We’re gonna stamp out hate
Punch it in the eye,
Kick it in the stomach yelling die die die!
We’ll pull its insides out
And look at what it ate
We’re gonna stamp out hate.
We’re gonna stamp out hate,
Show it who’s the boss,
Take it up a lonely hill and nail it to a cross
There’s not a single part
We won’t violate
We’re gonna stamp out hate.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:38 pm
And The Critics of Benedict Said…
A servant of God and an obvious woman of grace was murdered in Somalia, probably because she was the personification of Christ’s love.
I hope that those condemning Benedict’s words will spend at least as much time condemning an act of deep…
September 18th, 2006 at 12:30 am
[...] Thanks to The Anchoress and Little Green Footballs, here’s something that will make you pop some hypertension medication. [...]
September 18th, 2006 at 2:33 am
Religion of Peace Hate Update
The Anchoress notes Islamofascists continue to make the Pope’s point. . . .
September 18th, 2006 at 7:06 am
A war of civilizations? Not exactly…
Editor Bird Dog emailed me with a quote from a friend, who said that this was no battle of civilizations, but a battle of civilization against barbarism.Did any of the protesters read the Pope’s speech? I doubt it. I doubt that the entire speech was…
September 18th, 2006 at 10:33 am
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September 18th, 2006 at 10:48 am
(Must See Video) - Plus, My Thank You Message to Rosie O’Donnell
By equating Christians to radical Islam the left is ignoring the real threat as exemplified in the recent violence against Christians by “peaceful” Muslims. the Anchoress notes that then press is whitewashing the motives of the murderers who killed…
September 18th, 2006 at 11:57 am
[...] As expected, the Muslim swarm completely missed the point of the Pope’s words last Tuesday in Germany. Typical. The Anchoress quotes Ed Morrissey’s excellent post: [emphasis mine] All this has shown is that Muslims missed the point of the speech, and in fact have endeavored to fulfill Benedict’s warnings rather than prove him wrong. If one reads the speech at Regensburg, the entire speech, one understands that the entire point was to reject violence in pursuing religion in any form, be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, or Bahai. The focal point of the speech was not the recounting of the debate between Manuel II and the unnamed Persian, but rather the rejection of reason and of God that violence brings.[…] The Muslims are not interested in a Socratic dialogue, such as the kind proposed by Benedict in his speech, if one actually bothered to read it. They completely reject any notion of critical thinking when it comes to their doctrines, their laws, and their beliefs. They can make all the comments they want about Jews being descended from pigs and monkeys and the “polytheism” of Christians, but if anyone utters a word of scholarly criticism about Islam, the murders begin until someone admits that Islam is better than any other faith. This drips with irony — because Benedict spoke about precisely this impulse in his speech. It’s conversion or submission by the sword all over again. UPDATE: See Ed’s open letter to the Pope. Do not apologize for speaking the truth. Stand up to the threats and violence and make the world understand that no one of any faith or of no faith at all has to be cowed or intimidated into silence. Your predecessor, John Paul the Great, risked his life by providing a beacon of courage against the might and will of Communism, and he outlived it in the end. We won’t outlive the violent nature of radical Islam, but we can provide the basis for Christianity’s survival by standing against it now. [...]
September 18th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
Pope Benedict, Islam, and Reason
The current emphasis on rationality in our public life and the denigration of religious belief of our elites rests on a misunderstanding of rationality and its role in our civilization. That is a rather bold statement which flies in the
September 18th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
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September 18th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
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September 21st, 2006 at 9:10 am
[...] More interesting reading can be found from The Anchoress, who has more on the murder of the nun in Italy, and a roundup of others speaking on the issue today. [...]