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May 13, 2008Huckabee and End-Times AdvocatesHonestly, I see this sort of crap in my email all the time - I get an “is it the end-of-the-world” missive every day or two - but I just blew it off as fringe element stuff. Now, Novak is bringing it to mainstream attention:
Mike Huckabee is “God’s candidate?” Holy moley! You know, any Christian who presumes to know that the American people “deserve” a bad president, who presumes to know the will of God, or who presumes to know who “God’s Candidate” is, is about two steps away from the Westboro Baptist Hate Cultists who give all Christians a bad name. You can be concerned about a path America is taking, but you cannot decide America “deserves” bad things. You can shudder at a million babies being aborted a year, but you also must take heart that there is an energetic faith-based opposition to abortion and euthanasia that is making real inroads into the heart of society. You don’t like the way the country is going, you work to change it and you pray…you do not sit there deciding, “well, I’m upset with the way America’s going, so I think God wants me to sit this election out because the country deserves a few years of pain.” It almost sounds like, “I don’t have the candidate I want, so I will spitefully sit it out, and use belief in a just and vengeful God as my excuse and my justification. And boy, after that, America will learn to take my concerns and my votes more seriously! Go get ‘em God!” Ace writes:
Unfortunately you don’t have to make this stuff up. You can find some stragglers and fringe-ists declaring that “America needs to be taught a lesson,” on many right-wing political forums. They’re not the majority, but they’re definitely out there. Their emails usually contain a scripture verse and a rant about John McPain, Jorge Arbusto, Illegal Immigration, Obama-the-Muslim, Hillary-the-beast, the gold standard and how everything will be better after we let America go to hell from 2009-2012. I think they’re optimistic, myself. Put Obama or Hillary in the White House with a Democrat House and Democrat Senate and perhaps as many as three SCOTUS judges ready to kick the bucket or retire…you got yourselves the making of a whole new world of pain, and God’s got nothing to do with it. Speaking of Presidents - doesn’t it seem like talking directly to the American people instead of letting the press and the opposition define him, is something he should have been doing for - oh…the last 5 years? http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/05/13/huckabee-and-end-times-advocates/trackback/ 17 Responses to “Huckabee and End-Times Advocates” |
May 13th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
“…..and God’s got nothing to do with it.” ????? Pray, dear Anchoress, pray.
May 13th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Whoa lol
First I would take a good look at that article again
I took this article on yesterday
Are Huckabee and Evangelicals Out to Sink McCain?- More Novak Nonsense!!!
http://opinionatedcatholic.blogspot.com/2008/05/are-huckabee-and-evangelicals-out-to.html
As I mentioned in that post Novaks inept and factually challenged piece he did on Baptist and Huckabee does not show he has a great track record on these things
You made a good point months and months ago about how Soros was manupliating conservatives through the illegal immigration rallies. THat is he was making people react too harshly.
We are in a wild ride for McCains VP. PEople that hate Huckabee are going to have it out for him . Same for Romney. THese people do not have their eyes on the prize
We must be very careful especially people that supported Either Huckabee or Romney not to fall for this. Huckabee is not for it and I bet Romney is not either
When you look at the article what do you have
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“credible activist in Christian politics who would not let his name be used told me Huckabee in personal conversation with him embraced the concept that an Obama presidency might be what the American people deserve”
Are these the same credible activist that informed him on his horrible HUckabee and Baptist article? Should we now be giving credance to the Huffington Post now when they said that McCain said he did not vote for Bush in 2000? Why not if we are going to run with this
Huckabee did everything not to damage McCain and the article says the McCain people want to use him more.
Even Farris says the allegation is trash as you see in the article.
As a former Huckabee supporter I can tell you that every group of supporters has a fringe. THis is nothing.
However Anchoress when you look at the Novacks article with his “unnamed one source” perhaps we should not be too upset about it because well it is pretty flimsy
May 13th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
If i’m a W supporter, then i believe i’m just on the Right- enough; but, not on the Right enough to be– on the Right(enough?)(bear w/me?)
I’ve of often thought that if America votes in a Lib President, then- fine. I’ll go along w/it- it’s my Country all the same. Yet, i maintain- we get what we deserve in the sense that- we get exactly what we wanted(or the majority, anyway).
~sigh~ It doesn’t make me a wacko, does it- to think that a little taste of the opposite of most of what we believe will make us realize games are of little consequence when dealing w/serious matters? I’m voting for whomever the Pubs put up there- because i believe that’s better than what the ~other side~ offers…
… &may the best Canidate win.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
I say amen to 99% of your post, Dear Anchoress. But I would also agree with the previous commenter. Being a former publisher, I tend to take just about everything mainstream pundits have to say with a grain of salt, especially when quoting unnamed sources and when said sources are — singular, eh?
But your main points are still very much germane. God “punishing” America with an Obama presidency is the same as saying H. Katrina was His retribution for … whatever. We tend to focus much to much on retribution instead of salvation - which is, after all, His promise to all who bend their knee.
May 13th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
You can be concerned about a path America is taking, but you cannot decide America “deserves” bad things…It almost sounds like, “I don’t have the candidate I want, so I will spitefully sit it out, and use belief in a just and vengeful God as my excuse and my justification…You can find some stragglers and fringe-ists declaring that “America needs to be taught a lesson,” on many right-wing political forums.
That’s true, Anchoress, and well worth saying and repeating…but it’s one side of the story. I have had it with the GOP playing me for a sucker. For example, when is the last time a mainstream Republican advocated limited government?
McCain will probably get my vote, but he is very unlikely to get my proactive support. My enthusiasm is not ignited when I am deciding which candidate will do less net damage. (In 2004 I donated to the SwiftVets because of my concern about Kerry’s character, but I thought that Bush’s case for a second term was marginal.)
Hopefully the day will come when a contemporized Reagan coalition is restored. Today is not that day: too many grifters and zealots–in a word, pharisees–are too entrenched in too many parts of the GOP.
May 13th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Well, for all that some love to call me a “McCainiac” (gad, but I hate it when people do that - or when they tell me I love “shamnesty”) the truth is I have no great enthusiasm for McCain. I respect his background and occasionally he says something and I think, “okay.” But just as often he says other stuff I don’t like.
But my bottom line is those SCOTUS judges who are sipping formaldehyde every morning to make it to the next (and they hope liberal) president. For me it’s all about the judges. The Dems have made it clear for years that they like activist judges who will write or change law from the bench, and no amount of “teaching America a lesson in ‘08″ (no matter how benignly one may think about it) can ever justify losing our country through the courts.
But as I wrote only this morning…I wouldn’t mind seeing “none of the above.”
I’ve been able to vote since 1976. Only in two elections have I ever voted “for” someone, and it felt good…but it seems that most elections are about voting “against,” at least in my life.
Said it before and will say it again: the right has known for 4-6 years that they would need a formidable candidate in ‘08. They did nothing to identify the likely boy or girl and then groom him/her and get behind a campaign. They just sat around bitching and moaning about Bush and sighing for memories of Reagan until it was pretty much over. A poor job all around.
May 14th, 2008 at 2:40 am
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May 14th, 2008 at 8:02 am
McCain is probably the strongest candidate imaginable for Repulicans in this election season. The country is tired of Bush, and tired or Republican governance. Only a ‘maverick’ would have a chance. Yet at the same time, McCain is clearly a conservative able to create a clear distinction between himself and others.
That said, even against Obama (the weaker option in the general) he has a very uphill fight.
I also think that those who fear horrible results from a Democratic Presidency (even with a Democratic Congress and supermajority Senate) are probably a bit overwrought. Certainly there will be things that happen that Republicans and Conservatives don’t like, but the sky won’t fall and things will be much more the same then they have been different.
As to the issue of courts, I think abortion foes would do better to focus less on the individual nominee battles and more on changing the views of their fellow citizens in a positive manner. If they can do that, then even a loss in a nominee will be able to be overcome in time, but if they don’t then a tactical vistory in a court appointment won’t lead to a lasting vision. I also though happen to think that abortion foes need to better develop their philosophy of sin and freedom and how the government should, and should not, interact with those things. Ironically I often find many religious people to be not at all humble, and their desire to control the mechanisms of government to bring about their utopis isn’t any more comforting then when other philosophies try the same thing.
May 14th, 2008 at 8:24 am
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May 14th, 2008 at 11:26 am
“Abortion foes” in fact have a rather extensive and compelling “philosophy of sin and freedom and how the government should, and should not, interact with those things.”
The problem is that there are so many who simply refuse to bother to address the compelling pro-life philosophy on the merits, or even to admit that it exists.
Meanwhile, abortion supporters, DaveJustus, have offered a philosophy that is little more than the raw assertion of power masquerading as a false and irrational conception of freedom itself.
May 14th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Anchoress,
I do think STUBBLESPARK went a tad too far in his accusation. I don’t think you are bigoted against Evangelcials at all.
However I understand where he is coming from and is so sensitive. It was not pleasant being at time being a Huckabee supporter and seeing a cartoon version of both Huckabee and more importantly you as a supporter being done all over the place. I think it was very hurtful because so much of these was done by so called friends and conservatives. So that fact that in your post you did not excerpt (and I don’t think this was with ill motive) the facts in Novaks article that mitigated these concerns perhaps got him a tad upset. I can’t speak for him but it was my inital reaction too till I sat down and thought about post and your past posts and realized that was not your intent.
Huckabee as well as ROmney of course will be considered for VP and it not escaped out attention this story came out when the HUckabee for VP trial ballons came out from the McCain campaign. In a sense some of the stuff that has been out their on the web has opened up some old wounds for us that are not quite healed and that is why is such a touchy subject
I usppose the frustrations is slightly coming because Huckabee and many of his supporters did a classy race against him and are now supporting him. Yet many “true conservatives” that hated us both are trying to create a division that is not there.
There is a tad of angst that peole might be falling for it
May 14th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Dave Justus ,
I quite agree with you on McCain. I think people frustrations with McCain might be because the race seems to have gone on for an eternity already.THus they are taking out their frustrations on the most near public figure.
I know some people don’t like McCain and I have difficulty at times pegging why that is. Who knows if he a President in 50 years he might go down as a hero. History as we have seen in dramatic fashion the last 8 years has a way of throwing curveballs.
In the end Reagan, WHO AINT COMING BACK, could have not have survived this era of Cable News and a million bloggers that of course are all experts on every position under the sun with his Reputation intact. People forget but the “true Conservatives” were ranting against him in his last couple of years.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
It’s hard to argue that a democracy doesn’t get what it deserves. We have convinced ourselves that Washington DC is some sort of secular Lourdes and if we just take all of our problems there and pour “Federal Dollars” over them all will be well.
Katrina is a perfect example. From the governor on down to the man in the flooded street all eyes were turned on the Feds. What are they going to do to save us (me)?
I am not an “End Timer” but I often do wonder about the day that Islamic nut jobs get their hands on their first nuclear weapons. What are these people going to do if their Federal Sugar Daddy disappears?
May 14th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
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May 14th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
“Put Obama or Hillary in the White House with a Democrat House and Democrat Senate and perhaps as many as three SCOTUS judges ready to kick the bucket or retire…you got yourselves the making of a whole new world of pain, and God’s got nothing to do with it.”
thank-you, thank-you, thank-you, Madam Anchoress! (that may be an incoherent title). In the primaries I observed that some of the Christian right (whether Catholic, evangelical or whatever) seemed to be in a very ill-timed funk. This election, it’s imperative to vote strategically. Some other election, if you’re lucky, you can vote your heart. Maybe not for President, maybe for a local election. If we have a democratic House, Senate and President, the Fairness Law will be back and talk radio will be blacked out - and I don’t have a brief for each and every talk radio host or everything they say, but they are a counter-weight to the MSM. Dave Justus, who had some sensible things to say above, nevertheless underestimates the damage that the highest court can do, IMO. Primary exhibit: the sweeping, poorly decided Roe v. Wade. We have this entire ongoing abortion battle because of the way the court swept to much power to itself.
Dave makes a good point that the Pro-Life movement needs to think harder about sin & freedom and the implications for governance. However, at this stage the country would be pointed in a more pro-life direction if we simply had a Court decision that had respected the Constitution, not read into it whatever they wanted. A few “tactical” victories like that will go a long way.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
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May 14th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Well, as an Episcopalian, I have been much more disturbed by the Rev Mike than I was with the Mormon Mitt Romney. I always thought that the Rev. Mike is just sleazy enough to be a potential back stabber. And, those that do not get it, the Rev. Mike is NOT a real conservative. To me, it is not just enough to say “I am pro-life” and everything else is negotiable. So, why not ruin it with Sen. McCain and hope that the GOP turns to the earthly savior, the Rev. Mike. God help us if our party has come to this.