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October 2, 2008Palin Biden debate reactions running threadI thought both debaters helped their candidates a bit tonight, and I will always like Joe Biden, but I will call Palin the winner, first because she had to prove she is not the caricature being developed by the media, and she did that, but also because of the stunning consensus of the Frank Luntz audience in St. Louis, who declared her the hands-down winner and expressed a real connection. When I saw that audience response to Palin I thought: here in a nutshell is why the other side has worked so vociferously to destroy her, so quickly. What the folks in St. Louis were talking about tonight (and they said they now thought she was “qualified” to be president) is what Camille Paglia saw in Palin’s first, informal speech at her introduction. Sarah Palin unfiltered, is a force to be reckoned with. I don’t know if we’ll see the major shift in polling, that Luntz predicted, though. And I was really glad to see Palin remark about how she is ill-served by those “media filters.” Heh. Think she reads this blog? I also thought Ifill was fine. Okay I’m going to just keep adding to this thread as I find things, newest stuff first, so keep checking back. Also, if your prayer was answered tonight, don’t forget to say thank you. Newest posts first, below: My two biggest concerns this election? Not Obama and Biden, it’s the utter loss of our free press and vote fraud, vote fraud vote fraud Ed Morrissey: Palin’s Home Run David Brooks: “The race has not been transformed, but few could have expected as vibrant and tactically clever a performance as the one Sarah Palin turned in Thursday night.” I agree. I’ll be surprised if the polls more more than a smidge. Egregious Harry Reid: But the above that does remind me of two questions: Did Harry Reid purposely work to hurt the insurance sector, and keep the drama alive? Yes, I think he did; I wasn’t kidding when I called him a fiend. Insty has a poll on that question. And does anyone remember reading about a year ago that the Dems and Soros would be putting in a full-on effort in the waning months of the Bush presidency to insure that his legacy would be garbage, forever? I remember reading it. I can’t find it on the search engines, though. Jonah Goldberg: Biden wrong on preconditions. CLASSIC PROJECTION FROM THE LEFT: Reuters wanted to check Palin’s ears for tiny radios…you mean…like the one Obama seems like he might have been wearing, here? Yes. Projection! Gateway Pundit was at the after-debate rally and has tons of pics, of Palin, First Dude, the unhappy media and the empty Obama area. Mark Levin says Palin must be smart as hell:She has been on the national scene for a little over a month, she has been campaigning everywhere, she has had to bone up on all kinds of national issues, and she has shown class throughout. Yeah…and she’s also post-partum! Surber: The Moosehunter bagged another, but perhaps too late to save McCain. That’s what I’m thinking. She helped him tonight, but she helped herself more. She broke through the media filter. He also liked her “doggone it, Joe…” Instapundit has the definitive round-up that puts mine to shame! Vanderleun: Joe Biden and Obama want to reset mortgage principles? As in, “Your honor, I know I owe $490,000 on this $500,000 house I bought, but could you just knock it back to a round fifty-thousand bucks so I can get a handle on things? Thanks.” Now that’s what I call “adjusting your principles.” Even my half-asleep husband sat up and said, “What? That’s crazy talk!” Ace asks did Ifill ask a single question about energy, abortion or guns?. STACLU has Luntz footage and a good roundup. Apparently Dick Morris said, “Palin has connected in a way not seen since Reagan,” but it’s Morris, so there you go. I DO think it very telling that the Luntz audience responded so well to the idea of personal responsibility. I also thought that when Biden said, “people want help,” it would have been Palin’s chance to jump in and say, in a thoughtful way, “yes, people want help, but are you sure that they want so much of it from government, especially when the government can’t run any of its programs efficiently or effectively.” But that’s just me… Woody’s place: He has a nice roundup, including Noonan on Tape and this observation: Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric and the rest of the MSM/DNC cabal can pose gotcha questions and selectively edit their footage to make you look bad, but they can’t do shit about live TV can they? Rachel Lucas: I love her She and Sunny are happy and linking to Fact Check Bookworm, writing at American Thinker: Barack is the bad boy you want to date to be daring, but would be stupid to marry. She has more here. Andy McCarthy did not like Ifill and thought she was appalling. Hmph. As we see in every election, the tolerant and compassionate folks are defacing automobiles that dare to show a GOP bumper-sticker and breaking into GOP campaign headquarters, again. They’re all about freedom of expression and fairness, you know. Jim Geraghty: a tie goes to the moose hunter. “I could picture the woman on stage tonight leading in a crisis.” Lorie Byrd enthuses: Palin Shock and Awe; she’s no Quayle. Lorie gives you some quotes from the talking heads, so you don’t have to flip the channels and listen to them! Mere Rhetoric claims another Biden gaffe. Hewitt approves of Sarah 2.0. I don’t think she’s 2.0. I just think McCain needed to let Palin be Palin, and he wasn’t doing that. The Great Gerald Baker - who is increasingly the guy I go to when I want Hitchens, but without the bitter aftertaste: [Palin] seemed sure-footed and likeable, erasing many of the doubts that surrounded her and breathing at least a little hope to a fairly demoralised Republican camp…On Thursday night Mrs Palin won her debate by not losing it. Hot Air: CBS & CNN (predictably) have polls calling Biden the winner. But I don’t know how credible those are since, On CNN, CBS and MSNBC the Democrat is always the winner and that’s been true for a couple of election cycles, now. The Alaskan Orthodox Patriot (and his bagpipes) seems very pleased and also praises Ifill. Of her, my Li’l Bro Thom emailed and said: “Gwen Ifill should be anchoring CBS Evening News, not Couric!” Hey, it’s not like I didn’t try to tell Moonves a bunch of times. No one ever listens to my good advice, even when it’s free! Jimmie Bise calls it the flurry in Missouri Ann Althouse liveblogged; she hoped to see if Palin could acquit herself credibly and seems to feel she did that and more Take my advice, save the Althouse link for last and enjoy her comments with a nice cuppa tea or a glass of wine. I do think she has the best commenters around. Roger L. Simon says big loser: MSM, and says Ifill gave Joe too many last words. Possibly. Lorie Byrd reports that flipping the channels, even CNN resisted savaging Palin, although MSNBC tried. I couldn’t watch them. Matthews, Mitchell and Olbermann reminded me of sad, hungry jackals, who had been told a big fat carcass was theirs to tear into and then found themselves denied. Steve at Wizbang says, here’s one of the lies Also here, here, Gabriel Malor at Ace says Biden made an important gaffe on the Constitution and Article 1. Glenn Reynolds also says Biden made multiple constitutional errors. Michelle Malkin is offering some people their words on a platter and saying “eat them.” Riehl reads Sullivan so you don’t have to and says he is spinning it and seems sad. Fausta watched the debate and cursed the rest of us with the Obama Channel http://theanchoressonline.com/2008/10/02/palinbiden-debate-reactions-running-thread/trackback/ 43 Responses to “Palin Biden debate reactions running thread” |
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:19 pm
WOW!! Palin Shock and Awe…
Sarah is no Dan Quayle. And she is no Tina Fey cartoon. And she is no drooling moron. Democrats set the debate up better than we ever could have. If……
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Palin Rocked The Debate…
Nice job Governor. Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric and the rest of the MSM/DNC cabal can pose gotcha questions and selectively edit their footage to make you look bad, but they can’t do shit about live TV can they? She…
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 pm
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October 2nd, 2008 at 11:50 pm
A dandy display for all Women. Sarah Palin just shocked the old Senate Establishment, and certainly made Joe Biden appear painfully elite, tired, aged, boring, bitter, etc.
Gov. Palin did very well and really shined. I enjoyed your post mighty Anchoress, well stated and totally agree.
Sarah gave the McCain Camp a big positive, after several weeks of negatives which were ironically created by Senator John McCain.
Gov. Palin was very nervous in the beginning, but this was not a problem. Besides, as she calmed down, and then really rose to impressive stature in the end.
Can I offer a little cynical criticism?
Palin represents a fresh change, a real proven Washington OUTSIDER, with youth, optimism, and an ability to connect with Americans. John McCain, most regretfully, does not. Biden was the aged bitter Celebrity on stage, and reminds me of McCain a little, and this is just a very hard package to sell in an Election (especially this year).
Besides that, the vivid MCCAIN mantra which includes endless McCain praise, with no Democrat criticism and absolutely no Republican acclaim, remains a huge problem. McCain does this often on his own. He likes to say, “I know how to win a war…” But I really doubt if these are strategic powerhouses in an election.
The Democrat Ticket is pounding the Republican Party, often via the Bush Administration, and the McCain Camp seems to think it can just ignore it, or even accept it. For example, tonight Sarah Palin (who is wonderful) never even mentioned the words “the Democrat Party”. In fact, when she was referencing the Republican led effort to reform Freddie-Fanny, which McCain joined in 2005, (long after the Bush Administration began the call for concern in 2001), she only referenced the Democrats as “colleagues”. Gov. Palin also never mentioned the name “Republicans”. Sarah Palin merely stated “John McCain” tried to reform Fanny and Freddie, as if he was doing this all on his own.
It is simply odd. The McCain Campaign is advertising their contention that Washington is a mess, Washington is lost, etc., including the Republican Leadership since 2000. All is wrong, except for John McCain, who has been in Washington for years? It is just a hard sell. It seems they will stick with a strategy that completely runs from the positives of the Bush Administration and the entire Republican Party - while failing to correctly identify some of the severe problems with the Liberal Democrat Party, now identified with Obama. But in the process they seem to be (unwittingly or not) ceding many sound issues, which were embraced by John McCain, and cannot be separated from McCain. I feel they are missing the opportunity to change the tenure and perception in the Country, which will help them win the Election.
Sarah Palin did much better at offering a sound defense and offense. At least, the McCain Camp offered a new response to the Obama-Biden attacks, which rightly rebuked their expression as stuck in the past and obsessed with blame. But one feels the response should be far more robust.
Regardless, after Mrs. Palin calmed down, when she got more comfortable, Sarah began to show her natural charm, intelligence, strength. Every time she provided her own offering, Sarah Palin was wonderful. Every moment when she tried to repeat clear McCain Campaign talking points, she grew a little less smooth and effective.
It was very strong, when she called the Obama - Biden plan for Iraq, “the white flag of surrender”. It seemed to be a clear turning point. Biden grew flustered and a little testy. His aged Senatorial appearance, including ego, temper, etc. was a clear loser, vs. Sarah’s youth, smile, pleasant nature, and brief conjecture.
In the end Sarah won the debate, (but again, it is hard for a Life Long Senate Elite to appear attractive next to someone younger, attractive, etc…)
Sarah helped tonight a great deal. Hopefully enough to change the dynamic.
We can only hope.
October 2nd, 2008 at 11:56 pm
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October 2nd, 2008 at 11:57 pm
Sarah definitely helped, both herself and Senator McCain.
Ace is predicting Mac is holding back on unleashing on Barney Frank and the Dems, to let a deal pass the House first, and then go for blood on Fannie and Freddie. I have suspected that myself for a while, because it seems strange why he kept holding back on that. A Palin Mac Attack could be pretty effective over the next couple of weeks. We will see.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:02 am
I just think McCain needed to let Palin be Palin
Andy McCarthy, NRO, has it about right –
“The thing to bear in mind, and for the McCain campaign especially to bear in mind, is that Palin is weakest where she is shackled to McCain. Loyalty is big in my book, and Sarah is duly mindful of the opportunity McCain has given her — she’s loyal. But when it comes to the base McCain must galvanize — the base that loves her and is suspicious of him — she’s more valuable to McCain when she doesn’t sound like she’s reading his script. . . . I can’t help thinking what a lights-out star Palin would be if she didn’t need to conform to McCain’s idiosyncrasies. It’s going to inhibit her and annoy us.”
If the McCain camp wants to win, they are going to have to swallow their maverick, we-know-better-than-everyone, arrogant pride, and let Palin lead the way. They are not blind. They see how she wows people when she is allowed to do things her way — the conservative way — and they see how so-so she is when they force her to do things the McCain way. Which is not surprising because McCain himself is a drag on the ticket when he acts like McCain.
So they better have learned some things from the introduction, convention, and now this debate — get your stinking paws off of Sarah Palin, you damned dirty apes, and let her be herself. Do that, you win. Insist on being McCainiacs, you lose.
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October 3rd, 2008 at 12:18 am
I agree with Mr. McCarthy…
Thank you for the post.
But I wonder if John McCain will listen, and if they do succeed, what a future McCain Administration means.
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:28 am
(from Japan) I will not be able to see the debate itself until I get home tonight and get a chance to check YouTube. I am happy that prayer was answered and Mrs. Palin seems to have done well, happy both for her personally and for the prospects for the election. I am also very worried about the escalation of attacks (verbal/political attacks and pray for nothing worse) against this good woman and her family, which Anchoress predicts.
Though it is not my habit, I browsed the debate comments at Daily Kos. It’s like they were watching a different debate with different debaters. Now, I am confident Ms. A’s assessment of the debate is closer to the truth than the Kiddies’, but it is representative of what makes me sad about current US politics: We too often allow our prejudices to rule our perceptions. As Ms. A has complained, we judge based on the D or R after a name, not by the words we hear or the deeds we see. Who needs truth when you can promote your tribe?
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:46 am
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October 3rd, 2008 at 12:57 am
I thought Palin did very well. SHe has real natural political instict. She went up against a man that has been in the Senate forever and ran ran for President twice and held her own.
A few thoughts on the McCain/Palin relationship that I sort of see in the comments here and I have seen in the related FREE SARAH PALIN threads on numerous blogs and elsewhere
First McCain has had problems being John McCain at times. THe Staff that is with these folks sometimes holds a candiate back. THey are by nature conservative and risk averse. McCain has had to battle his staff and when he noticed a problem with the people around Palin he made moves to change it.
I guess if people think McCain was supervising what Plain was saying and doing on a daily basis then I think that is very misguided.
I just can’t help but notice too many of these discussions becomes McCain bashing sessions by people who were not perhaps thrilled he got in.
Palin is still sort of a blank canvass for all kinds of conservatives to paint their ideals on. But after watching her she is much more populist than some conservatives wish to admit and much more McCain Maverack than some conservatives wish to admit. So perhaps just perhaps when she is out there defending McCain consider she might agree with him and it is not some just loyalty.
What Palin needs to do besides the occasional appearance to jazz the base is go under the radar and with her huge ole family and Union Husband visit every bug hamelt and small town on 18 hour day Bus caravan tours and we might have a chance
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:03 am
“she’s loyal. But when it comes to the base McCain must galvanize — the base that loves her and is suspicious of him — she’s more valuable to McCain when she doesn’t sound like she’s reading his script. . . . ”
Bender what exactly is his script? Where besides Alaskian Oil Drilling in currently prohibted places and perhaps some differences on Stem cell research do you think Palin differs from McCain. Palin is a maverack and is about saracastic as hell as McCain. I guess I am wondering what the big differences are. McCain is opften faulted for taking on Republicans. Well apparently Palin did not in Alaska which is why I think McCain likes her.
I just have to think if Palin had waited and run in 4 years that the same people praising her today(THe Club for Growth types for instance ) would be going after her because of her going after “Big Oil” and other what some term populist Vocabulary.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:14 am
Though it is not my habit, I browsed the debate comments at Daily Kos. It’s like they were watching a different debate with different debaters.
The Left had their reaction comments written before the debate. It didn’t matter what Palin said, just as it doesn’t matter what McCain says or what Bush has ever said. And those comments are always the same — (fill in the blank) was lousy and an embarassment and the worst ever, blah, blah, blah.
And watching the commenters on TV is the same. Every debate, every speech, every election year, it is the exact same. The same usual group of commenters say the exact same things over and over and over, year after year after year.
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:06 am
[...] The Anchoress: I thought both debaters helped their candidates a bit tonight, and I will always like Joe Biden, but I will call Palin the winner, first because she had to prove she is not the caricature being developed by the media, and she did that, but also because of the stunning consensus of the Frank Luntz audience in St. Louis, who declared her the hands-down winner and expressed a real connection. When I saw that audience response to Palin I thought: here in a nutshell is why the other side has worked so vociferously to destroy her, so quickly. What the folks in St. Louis were talking about tonight (and they said they now thought she was “qualified” to be president is what Camille Paglia saw in Palin’s first, informal speech at her introduction. Sarah Palin unfiltered, is a force to be reckoned with. [...]
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:17 am
CBS poll: “Forty-six percent of the uncommitted voters surveyed say Democrat Joe Biden won the debate, compared to 21 percent for Republican Sarah Palin. Thirty-three percent said it was a tie.”
You didn’t even have to watch the debate to know that that poll is completely bogus. You’re going to tell us that fully 1/3 of the people said it was a tie, but the other 2/3 went more than 2 to 1 for one candidate? And they were “undecided”! Give me a break! If that many people really thought it was a tie than it must have been a close debate. I love stupid liars!
October 3rd, 2008 at 3:37 am
Berg vs. Obama and the DNC motion to dismiss - DENIED!
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE, : Plaintiff :
vs. :CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083
:
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL, :
Defendants :
ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC
NATIONAL COMMITTEE’S MOTION TO DISMISS PLAINTIFF’S
COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6)
THIS CAUSE came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on Defendant’s Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee’s Motion to Dismiss. Having reviewed the Motion and Plaintiff’s Opposition
to said Motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ORDERED that the
Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is DENIED.
It is further ORDER of this Court that the following discovery is
to be turned over to Plaintiff within three (3) days:
1. Obama’s “vault” version (certified copy of his “original” long version)
Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance.
IT IS SO ORDERED
October 3rd, 2008 at 6:16 am
I’m a huge Palin fan. I was in ecstasy at her nomination and in tears listening to her RNC speech. I really wanted her to win last night. She is charming and smart and fearless and can think on her feet and has great things ahead of her — hopefully the presidency someday. She has come up a very steep learning curve in a very short time. I wouldn’t even think about NOT voting for McCain/Palin. And, similar to you, I literally whooped for joy at the St. Louis focus group result of undecideds…
However…
I tried to listen to the debate with neutral ears (if that’s possible), trying my best to be intellectually honest. And despite really not wanting to, I came away with the sense that, even though half of what Biden said was a gross distortion of reality and the other half just too slick for words, Joe Biden is ready to be president and Sarah Palin is not.
Would an Obama/Biden administration ruin the country by emboldening and caving to enemies, pursuing failed socialist policies, entrenching foolish, immoral 9th-Circuit-style judges for a generation and pushing through anti-freedom measures willy-nilly (e.g., Fairness Docrine, non-secret union ballots, etc.)? Yes. They would do all of those things and more, trample the Constitution and bring this country to it’s knees very quickly. They’d be a total disaster.
But he came across as more presidential — wise, fair-minded, authoritative — whereas she came off as ‘nice’ and mayoral and sadly processed-to-death by her handlers. Razor-sharp and extremely talented, but not with the gravitas of a Thatcher or Reagan. (Yes, an unfair comparison, but I don’t think it’s unfair to look for those qualities in a conservative flag-bearer aspiring to national office.)
She failed to differentiate their ticket on a surprisingly wide range of issues and where she did, the distinctions were often subtle. I was pining for a conservative tell-it-like-it really is message and what I heard were measured RINO soundbytes that, by comparison would have made JFK or HST look like raving right-wing zealots. Hopefully that will sell the unity theme better than Obama’s endless repetition of it from far out on the left wing, but lies repeated often enough become ‘truth’ and, hanging out with bankers this week, I’ve been surprised how many, otherwise right-leaning, have bought his ‘unity’ line wholesale. Scary. Extremely scary.
I really didn’t want to think that Biden won it. It’s probably not me Sarah Palin needed to appeal to last night — nor the lefties I live and work (whose openly sexist and elitist vitriol for her still makes me ill). I can only look to the St. Louis focus group results and think: maybe she was broadcasting on a channel I just could not hear, but one that’s going to be more effective in winning the middle. I sure hope that’s true!
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October 3rd, 2008 at 10:06 am
Did anyone else notice that Sen. Biden’s mic was turned off immediately after the debate, while Gov. Palin’s was left “live” until after she greeted the moderator? My first reaction was that the media was hoping for an unguarded “gotcha” moment. They didn’t get it and her greetings seemed genuine and classy.
I also noticed that she mentioned that HER children are public school students (might that have to change for security issues should she make it to Washington?). It was a subtle reminder that she’s not the normal politician.
October 3rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
Did anyone else notice that Gov. Palin’s mic was left “live” far longer than Sen. Biden’s? I think the media was hoping for an unguarded “gotcha” moment with which to define the debate. They didn’t get one and her greetings seemed genuine and classy.
I also noticed her subtle reminder that she’s “a regular person” when she mentioned that HER children are public school students.
October 3rd, 2008 at 10:23 am
oops, please forgive and ignore the double post.
October 3rd, 2008 at 10:43 am
Bender what exactly is his script?
You would have to ask the McCain camp exactly what 100 pages of talking points that they are giving to her, which she is then expected to memorize and adhere to. Remember, she is not running for herself. She is NOT running for the office of vice president. She is running for McCain to be president, and just happens to also be the vice presidential nominee. There is a big difference. In the one case, she can be herself and simply say things that are natural to her, from the heart and from her own knowledge and philosophy. In the other case, she cannot simply give an answer, but must carefully process the questions and her memory of what the McCain position is before answering, so as to not give an answer that is contrary to what McCain says. Not giving an answer that is naturally your own, but is that of the guy you are promoting also has the consequence of her not being able to use her own words, but using the pre-programmed soundbites that the McCain handlers have insisted that she use.
As an attorney myself, I can tell you that having to speak on behalf of another person, whose position may be contrary to your own, is an acquired skill, and not one that might necessarily be mastered in a couple of weeks.
They should simply allow Palin to run as Palin, not as McCain II. And if she has made any mistakes, it is in allowing them to puppetize her and in not bringing in her own personal staff. When she attempts to act like McCain’s press secretary, rather than as her own candidate running for her own office, she does not do as well, which is not surprising because that is not her role, even though they have pushed it on her.
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October 3rd, 2008 at 11:07 am
few could have expected as vibrant and tactically clever a performance as the one Sarah Palin turned in Thursday night
Brooks is a moron. Yet another elite saying, if a genius like me didn’t expect it, well then, nobody could have expected it. It’s like those NY folks who could not believe that Reagan/Bush/Bush was elected because no one they knew had voted for him.
And McCain is reticent to attack Dems on the financial mess because to do so would be to implicitly defend Bush, which he adamently WILL NOT DO.
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 am
I thought Gov. Palin could have named names and called Sen. Biden on some of his downright lies (like Hezbollah/NATO comment). But my local paper (Port Huron Times Herald) had this front-page headline: Palin holds her own in debate; Alaskan governor’s middle-class roots come through. So I thought, “Maybe she did well overall.”
But the real proof was when I read a very liberal friend’s assessment: Palin sounded like Yosemite Sam. If that’s the worst - a comment about the governor’s accent - than she did well.
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:41 am
Quick thoughts on the Biden-Palin debate (UPDATE)…
I admit to pre-debate nervousness. I admit to thinking that if Sarah was ‘off’ in any way, given that she is the fire that heats up the McCain campaign, then it’d be over. I admit to believing that Sarah had…
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October 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
I’m inclined to think that most of us took away from the debate pretty much what we brought to it. I was pleasantly surprised at Biden, who started rather tentatively but finished strong (and I’m as surprised as anyone to learn that “Bosniac” is now indeed the State Department’s favored nomenclature for waht we used to call “Bosnian Muslims”) and put off by the perky governor’s winks — I thought at first it might be a facial tic — but I was so predisposed. There’s nothing either candidate might have plausibly done onstage that would have changed my mind about the top of the ticket, and I’m guessing it’s the same for most of the commentators here.
One other point of common ground: by all means let Palin be Palin, and release her from what some have facetiously described as the purdah imposed on her by the McCain organization. Obviously we have different expectations as to how that would play with the undecideds, but at the end of the day the governor ought to be seen to have won or lost on her merits, such as these may be, and not on the basis of the nervously filtered and overcoached captive of the campaign consultants she has seemed in most of her appearances to date.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
As she walked out I realized I was pacing in my own living room (like a deranged person, I might add). I was like the people David Brooks talks about in his opening paragraph today but not after he got condescending. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/03/opinion/03brooks.html?_r=1&oref=slogin“>See
I always knew she was smart and I didn’t really think she would get creamed, but so much was riding on last night’s debate. I ate an entire pint of ice cream, with a heated brownie right before she started, and I don’t even think I tasted it.
The question now is, will McCain use this final bit of momentum and actually say something? He’s woefully quiet and seems without an offense. Hate to break it to him but a month before the election might be a good time to stake a claim a little more aggressively. For Pete’s sake, already.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I think Gov. Palin did a great job–not a grand slam, but a definite home run. She was bright, articulate, involved, prepared, and engaging. Biden was prepared, articulate, and all that, too, but after a while, all I heard was, “Blah, blah, blah, Obama blah, blah, blah, ME! blah, blah, ME! blah, blah, blah, Obama blah, blah, blah, blah, McCain BAD blah, blah, blah, and blah.” It was definitely boring.
You may get a chuckle out of an envisioned conversation between Obama and Biden today
Keep up the good work!
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
One more thing: a transcript of last night’s debate can be found here. Rather than quote from it here at any length (this bandwidth is on the Anchoress’ dime, after all) I’ll merely recommend that people summon up the link and seach for the text string “Let’s move to Iran and Pakistan.” There follows both candidates’ responses to the question “What’s the greater threat, a nuclear Iran or an unstable Pakistan?” Neither answer is to my mind sufficiently concise or precise (Biden gave a crisper summation of the issue back when he was debating in the primaries); one of them borders on incoherence.
October 3rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
[...] The Anchoress posts her own Palin Biden reactions running thread [...]
October 3rd, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Paulson and his Wall Street cronies just ate the American taxpayers lunch with this so called “bailout” - and found it to be a nice tasty snack. The ink isn’t even dry on the first 805 Billion dollar bailout obscenity, and they’re already screaming “It’s not nearly enough, we need even more”.
If I were you, I’d move everything you can out of stocks and into cash or gold - or swiss francs - while it’s still possible to do so. Paulson, Obama, Pelosi, Dodd, Reid and the rest of that nice little band of thieves are now ready for the main course - which is the equity in the stock market. Dinner will be served all next week, as the foreign markets import their bad paper and suck all that cash right back out, and additional feedings are going to be required…
I suppose they thought they were just going to create a “little crisis” to help get Obama elected, but what they have just done is to remove the lid from a 253 Trillion dollar pit, and shoved the American economy over the edge from behind.
They claimed this was was being passed to prevent a depression, but it doesn’t do ANYTHING to help there, in fact, this has better than a 50% chance of being the fatal blow that crushes the economy and causes one. I hope and pray that the market doesn’t do what I expect when it opens on Monday, because if it does, that little 777 point drop in the Dow Industrials is likely to be just a mild forewarning of what is to come.
Hang on to your hats, folks, and a little prayer wouldn’t hurt. Once the market realizes what has actually just taken place, and the implications of this shredding of our constitution, and the fact that our politicians have just proved value greed over integrity and are for sale to the highest bidder, well - I don’t expect the market opening on Monday morning to be very pretty…
God help us all…
I’ve been screaming warnings for two weeks now, and all it has gotten me is: to have all my posts deleted and to be permanently banned from McCainSpace for being critical of Johns vote on the bailout… You can’t say I didn’t at least try to warn everyone.. We’ve been had, and it’s only the BEGINNING…
Forget remembering names for when these crooks come back up for re-election - how about some nice RECALL PETITION drives?
Let’s just removed them all from office - RIGHT NOW!
Robert Briggs
October 3rd, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Oh heck, just one more. Family Resemblances:
Palin, Sarah, 2008: Say it ain’t so, Joe, there you go again pointing backwards again. You preferenced (sic) your whole comment with the Bush administration.
Palin, Michael, 1975: Let’s not bicker and argue over ‘oo killed ‘oo…
October 4th, 2008 at 12:02 am
[...] Weighing in all day with an extended post my hero The Anchoress: Palin Biden debate reactions running thread [...]
October 5th, 2008 at 4:13 am
Updates, and the Vice-President Debate…
I wish I had time to do an analysis of the debate itself, like so many others have been able to do [I have NO IDEA how some of these people continuously do things like that, so quickly, easily, seemlessly, and frequently!!!], but this will have to do f…